[fosscomm] small step for ITEC; giant leap for IT employees
jtd at mtnl.net.in
jtd at mtnl.net.in
Wed Mar 14 22:42:02 PDT 2012
On Thursday 15 March 2012 08:42:46 Vivek Khurana wrote:
> On Thu, Mar 15, 2012 at 1:11 AM, <jtd at mtnl.net.in> wrote:
> > On Wednesday 14 March 2012 17:14:37 Vivek Khurana wrote:
> >> >> But who screwed AIRINDIA? Workers? No.
> >> >
> >> > YES YES YES. Pilot strike, ground staff strike, cabin crew strike,
> >> > sundry tender rigging, pilferage of stuff from planes, goods running,
> >> > third rate service. I can go on, but everyone using AI is familiar
> >> > with these.
> >> Dude you are a classic example of someone who just utters words
> >> without verifying the facts.
> > Read and verufy your facts.
> >> The strikes happened because post merger
> >> of Airindia and Indian airlines, the salaries dropped drastically.
> > Salaries dropped aka salaries were cut to below their existing levels.
> > What are you talking about. Infact wage parity was implemented and the
> > wage bill shot up by a huge factor.
> > Incentives and bonuses had no link to profitability or performance. This
> > was and continues to be the case.
> > http://www.indianexpress.com/news/cut-air-india-pilots-pay-panel/906285/
> As I said you wont believe any fact which goes against your
Not quite. I agree and stated at the start that labour trouble is in part,
alongwith other decisions, responsible for the mess. So I actually agree with
your statement of political interference and managerial incompetence.
But I dont agree at all to your attempt to prove that labour is holy. They
are, IMO equally responsible.
> This proves me again The salary of a pilot has a fixed
> amount plus flying allowance. This is not incentive which is
> calculated separately. The flying allowance is calculated based on the
> route and the flying hours. Before merger, both Indian airlines and
> Airindia were flying on the international route and obviously the
> allowance on international route is higher than of domestic route.
> Post merger the Indian airlines pilots were restricted to fly on the
> domestic routes only. These were skilled pilots as flying on
> international routes requires special training in handling. So if you
> were a trained pilot and earning X amount of money every month,
> suddenly start receiving X/4 amount and made to fly short domestic
> circuits what will you do ? You might be a special case and leave the
> job but not everyone will.
Read that link again. Allowance for flying International routes !=salary.
There are "justifiable" additional costs to staff when flying international
and hence the allowance. You are again trying to massage a perk into a basic
right. A common thing in this thread. So, Cant fly international = no
allowance. How is that an injustice ?
> The wage bill will shoot up as the staff almost doubled while
> earnings tumbled as the merged airline had to do away with several
> profitable national and international routes.
FYI tickets were not available on many routes, even though the planes are
empty !. One of their Chief Flight pursers (and one more friend in a high
place which I cant reveal for obvious reasons), flying international is a
good friend of mine and we meet every 15 days ;-E. I have been getting almost
a fortnightly update from the inside. Long before things actually happen on
the ground or hit the press. Everything they have told us was spot on.
They actually have a staff shortage, which rakes in more money for the staff
thru overtime. But it was getting so bad that union members had to tell the
union to intervene. So I dont know what excess staff you are talking of.
> The pay committee was
> another effort to make job in Airindia non-attractive so that pilots
> will move to private players.
Rubbish. Read the link again. Pay parity raised wages. Perks and incentives
had no link to productivity. Which means people were having a free ride.
> Airindia pilots are paid more because
> they are better trained and more experienced than private sector
> pilots. An example of this is, till two years ago, it as only Airindia
> which used to take off and land on time at fog-ridden Delhi Airport
> because no other airline had pilots trained in using CAT-3 landing.
Again the exception is being made the rule and sought to be used as an excuse
for the despicable behaviour of the AI staff, particularly the pilots.
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