[fosscomm] small step for ITEC; giant leap for IT employees
hiddenharmony at gmail.com
Wed Mar 14 04:44:37 PDT 2012
>> But who screwed AIRINDIA? Workers? No.
> YES YES YES. Pilot strike, ground staff strike, cabin crew strike, sundry
> tender rigging, pilferage of stuff from planes, goods running, third rate
> service. I can go on, but everyone using AI is familiar with these.
Dude you are a classic example of someone who just utters words
without verifying the facts. The strikes happened because post merger
of Airindia and Indian airlines, the salaries dropped drastically.
The merger was itself a questionable as both airlines were running in
profit. t was a game plan of certain politicians with investment in
airline sector, with one of them having sinking airlines of there own.
As a result of merger AIRINDIA lost several profitable routes to
private players hence the profits tumbled. The pilots who were flying
international routes such as Singapore and middle-east were flying
India only and there salaries reduced to one-fourth as the flying
bonus of international routes were gone. But you wont believe this
cause you never check facts.
And what is with airindia service? Its not international class but it
is not as bad as you speak. As someone who travels by AirIndia atleast
5 times month, I would say the service is good on Domestic routes
(except for Mumbai-Delhi). I would say Airindia is as bad as any
>> The political masters of
> Also a part. Who btw are the ones framing the rules.
>> AIRINDIA are responsible for the downfall of AIRINDIA. Else how come
>> an airline which was posting profits sudden ran into loss.
> Cooking the books is an ancient art. Without public - not government -
> scrutiny - everyone was happy with the fake profits, fat bonuses, and fatter
Not govt. scrutiny? Govt. accounts go through bigger scrutiny than
private accounts. Else how did things like 2G scam came out? Even CAG
report has said that there was a delay in buying new aircrafts for
Airindia due to political delays causing losses to airline. The
purchase of aircraft was delayed by Govt. by couple of years.
But you wont believe all this and wont bother to do some research on
Airindia downfall. All news items and documents are available online.
>> Going into
>> details of this would require a thread of its own. But my point is,
>> dont give half researched examples.
>> >> These employees organisation
>> >> should force their own version of 'terms of work'. Either the
>> >> employers accept those terms or let them close down.
>> > Precisely my point, but perhaps not what you have in mind, which is
>> > striking work and preventing others less pandered from taking up their
>> > seats. If the terms are so rotten, that company wont find competent
>> > employees and will shut. In the past labour militancy (alongwith other
>> > parallel factors) led to the shutdown of industry. But that was not a
>> > disaster, as industries moved to better locations, and new industry with
>> > better working conditions replaced them. For a shot while both labour and
>> > industrialists were playing holier than thou, before economics forced
>> > better sense to prevail.
>> You are completely disconnected with the conditions in India.
> Oh really? I could take you on tour in and around mumbai so that we get an
DUDE done deal, when? All though you wont believe the facts if they
prove you wrong.
>> think if unsuitable terms are offered the organisation will shutdown.
>> Maybe in your dream. For man power intensive jobs in India there is no
>> dearth manpower.
> Exactly. Which is why the CC workers and others in urban India, who seek to
> convert their priveligies to rights at the expense of everyone else, need a
> boot in the face.
> Besides the option of finding cushier jobs, they can always start on their own
> and earn gadzillions.
>> If unsuitable work conditions were to shutdown
>> organisation Army would have been the first one to shutdown. But that
>> doesnt happen because there is no dearth of people willing to join
>> Army. Ditto for Police and several other govt. jobs.
> The army, police, and governments are not business.
WTF, I am talking of organisations and not businesses. These
organizations proved jobs at certain terms and people working there
are free to find another job if they dont like the terms. You surely
can go to any length to ensure that you wont believe anybody else's
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